Some manifestations of these types can also be called "one-shot synesthesia" and "high-production synesthesia" (see below)
The term "concept-shape" could refer to two types of synesthesia, one simpler and the other more complex, where series or sequences of concepts trigger a concurrent of shapes. An example of the more simple type would be perceiving the concept of left as round and right as square, or associating each language with a different geometric shape. The first description below is an example of this type, which does not appear to be very common and is reminiscent of duality synesthesia (stimulus-parity synesthesia, for example, where concepts are either odd or even) but with more than two categories.
The second type, more complex, is triggered by concepts, ideas, information, categories, procedures, thought processes for problem-solving, decision-making, etc. It evokes geometric shapes, lines and other forms and/or dynamic colours as its concurrents, which can often be highly complex and are involuntarily and consciously perceived visually as the synesthete thinks. In the case of associator synesthetes they only appear in the mind’s eye, while projector synesthetes would actually see them physically in space, although this manifestation is extremely rare. When it is regular, consistent and deeply complex it seems to occur in highly intelligent individuals and could be a characteristic of some savants; in this case it is an uncommon type and has similarities with certain types of mathematical synesthesia.
Here
are some descriptions written by people with this type of synesthesia:
Concept-shape (the simpler type):
"Disney is round. Adidas is triangular. I’m triangular. I get along with people who are squares and rectangles. I don't typically get along with rounder personalities. Left handed people tend to be squares. Right handedness (the idea) is triangular."
(Source: This post on Reddit/Synesthesia. 2019.)
Concept-shape/colour/spatial position (not the most complex type, but with more elements and applying to specific thought processing situations, occurring on an occasional basis and not as a constant thought-processing style):
These are two recent examples of how some concepts (or categories, perhaps) and basic thought processes/opinions can automatically take the form of shapes and colours. In this case they are concerned with writing and literature and involve the active participation of the synesthete in some way (not just reading). Although they may not be an overwhelming experience, when focused on they become clear and they are very memorable, also helping with the task in hand.
“I have noticed that while writing I see irregular lines and dots projected in the space between the page and me that change configuration, in terms of structure and complexity, in response to how I perceive the quality of my writing. So when I'm re-writing a passage several times, the pattern may shift and generally becomes less dense with fewer elements as my writing improves. If the pattern doesn't change I know it needs more work. I am sure this has been happening for a very long time but I don't normally perceive it consciously. A couple of years ago I suddenly noticed it and forced myself to look right at it. Since then I have been pondering what it could be and thought it must be a visual projection of my thought process.”
(Source: This post on Reddit/Synesthesia. 2022.)
“We were putting a book together with stories/accounts written by different people and it was my job to decide on the order they should go in. Some seemed light blue or white and floaty while others were brown and close to or rooted in the ground, and just one was black. These colours and spatial positions were very memorable since the first reading and so it was easy to balance and vary their order in the book, but after having realised this was happening I decided to read them again and focus more on the colours they were producing. That was a beautiful chromatic experience. I discovered that the factual, less substantial, sometimes confusing or not too interesting stories went from light blue to white, even being a flat square or rectangle that floated up and away the more this was the case, while the action-packed, exciting ones with a more gripping style were different shades of dark brown and sank by their own weight! So those colours and shapes are something I'll be looking out for now.”
(Source: my comment in response to the same post on Reddit/Synesthesia, slightly paraphrased. 2022.)
The most complex type (this is the habitual thought-processing style of the people who experience it: it happens regularly and is not a one-off occurrence):
"OK so basically upon hearing or thinking of a concept or issue, I will see it in my head as different coloured shapes on a black plane that interact with each other and having conceptual meaning to me which I can then verbalise by watching the interactions between the shapes. It’s like if I see a blue circle wrap around and engulf a red triangle, I now know and understand the concept."
(Source: This post on Reddit/Synesthesia. 2020.)
“I see complex, multidimensional, topological forms at all
times, and they’re more pronounced when I’m in deep thought. It’s like I’m
literally seeing the pure logic that underlies everything—math, philosophy,
everything. It’s really beautiful and it’s been there for my entire life. If I
need to go back to a thought, it’s like the shape will shift back to show the
specific point where that thought was recorded.
My shapes have too many dimensions to perceive their exact
edges, but somehow I know where they are. There’s no way I could draw them, and
even attempting to feels like a horrible insult to myself.”
(Source: This post on Reddit/Synesthesia. 2021.)
This account
provides a good definition, coining the term “understanding-shapes” to describe
the phenomenon:
“With every
newly understood concept exists this shape in a dark, three-dimensional space.
The colors differ slightly from each understanding and whenever accessing or
making use of a newly understood concept, my mind enters through the bottleneck
of each shape into the open space that exists above it and contains abstract
representations of further, more complex topics that, themselves, can be transformed
into one of these understanding-shapes, should I bring myself to understand it,
encompassed by that new understanding that leads to it. It's a visual
manifestation of these possibilities.”
(Source: This post on Reddit/Synesthesia. 2022.)
“It’s a little hard to describe, but my synesthetic experience is basically that thoughts have a sort of geometry to them. Pure logic has a beautiful crystalline structure, my own thoughts are kind of modular and pieces get shuffled around until I find the “right” shape for that thought (I reach a conclusion and can communicate it in words). Whenever I’m hearing/reading a new thought process for the first time, it’s like I’m watching a simple form develop into gradually more complex shapes until it “freezes”, either because the thought is finished or I can’t understand the remaining mental steps. Also I guess I should note that I’m an associator instead of a projector, so I only see these shapes in my mind’s eye instead of visually laid out in front of me.”
“I can qualitatively describe [the shapes of abstract ideas] usually, but I could never represent them visually. For example, I know that pure logic is crystalline and extends so far vertically that it goes beyond my mental “field of vision” in both directions. And I know that the Nichomachean ethics is a sort of spheroid that develops into a horizontal tube and that Lovecraft’s cosmicism is a circular disk with a weird topography resting on top. One of my best friend’s minds is similar to logic but more finite and arranged in a kind of cube-ish way, but Jordan Petersen is a MASSIVE sphere of points with all kinds of connections flying between them.”
(Source:
“It
turns out that ideas and concepts taking the form of very-solid black outlines
of cubes is not a part of the typical human experience. (…) They either speed
or float past. They're large, about a metre in width and 0.5 metres in height,
and are see-through but for their (very thin!) outline and a possible image
associated with them that's inside the rectangular prism shape.
(…) They're involuntary, my mind's eye just
generates the images unprompted.
As a 'hello' to this community, despite how short my stay might be, have a horrible artistic rendition of a 'thought tornado' that I see roaming around my school sometimes."
"One-shot" and "high-production" synesthesia
(Painting by Emily Holt)
“This is a self-portrait” says Emily Holt. “My paternal grandma & I think in abstract colors that have textures & movements. My colors are always there and no one color expresses a particular thing or feeling. In my family these ways of thinking are normal.”
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This page last updated: 19 June 2024
Wow I can finally find it. I can see other people's concepts, worldviews, or personalities, and I can also see my own. Seeing smells and sounds, see the picture overview of a story, see the order of numbers and letters in space. All are very complex images. There are some pictures where I feel the texture of it. Feel the properties such as flexibility or hardness.....
ReplyDeletethis is so enlightening and I feel so seen!! This is the way my mind works and the way I organize thoughts in my head!!! I file away thoughts as shapes, and when I pull them out again, they intertwine and mold and shape new shapes. I didn't know this was so common! I didn't know how to put it into words because I thought I was stupid for thinking that "I have a special way of thinking"
ReplyDeleteWell, I have been wondering for about 40 years.... I have been asking my shrink and gp and had researched this before, knowing about synesthesia even. I just found this page. Makes sense now. I have always seen hazy shapes in a volume of no color. Familiar concepts have a more well defined form. Others, not so much. When thinking hard about anything they are more of the process somehow. I think the shapes may be the ways in which ideas are stored so when compared to one another we can tell if they are similar and compatible or if they are not in the same family. That's what I think I see.
ReplyDeleteI’ve beem seeing time from right to left all my life. Monday is to my right and lower down once I’m in Tuesday, and Wednesday is to my left and down. Hours begin at my feet with 8 AM and end at midnight above my head (the opposite of how people’s daytimers show time).
ReplyDeleteI see 3years circling around me loke fat inner tubes. Anesthsia causes me to have vividly colored nightmares which can last several weeks so I always request a spinal or local when possible. I still remember the vividly colored image I saw as a child when I had my tonsils out..back when they were still using ether, but I have permanent full color memories of every anesthesia since then…always a disturbing new one each time.
I was surprised to find that this was unusual! I'm used to finding that I think about things differently from other people, but I had no idea that most people don't have visuals of concepts and ideas! I've always thought of the distinction between abstractions and "concrete" things as being an arbitrary distinction that I didn't fully understand. I am sometimes told that I am being "too abstract", and I have never really understood why people say this. For me, broad concepts have colors, and more specific ideas have shapes that have that color. For example, consciousness is light blue, time is a gentle yellow, suffering is orange, and math is bright white. In terms of more specific ideas, groups (mathematical groups, not the more general idea of a group) tend to be tangles of white lines, numbers are pretty much just white dots, but they still look different from each other, (only significantly different types of numbers look different, but integers, say, are all pretty much different instances of the same thing) thoughts are kind of blue blobs, and moments in time are yellow rectangles. (The further into the past they are the more yellow they are, and the future actually starts to get slightly blue.)
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